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10 years 6 months ago #1643 by Greg Temple
Replied by Greg Temple on topic Brewer12.8 Centerboard
Plans and drawings are available from Ted Brewer:

www.tedbrewer.com/

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10 years 6 months ago #1657 by Charles Moore
I do not totally understand this thread: From the schematic it looks like the retractable keel can be pulled up from the cockpit Stop cable as well as the C/B Pendant position and it would seem that they would complement each other and be mutually beneficial? Could you enlighten me please.

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10 years 6 months ago #1658 by George Myers
Replied by George Myers on topic Brewer12.8 Centerboard
According to previous owner (PO) , the stop cable vibrated when boat had board down and speed was over 5kn, He also said that board went thump thump klunk klunk klunk whe board was up in a seaway. After 8-10 years of this he just dropped it while anchored in Luperon ,Dominion Republic. I just returned from attempted delivery to my home and left boat in Marathon Boatyard where it will be hauled for a month after fuel polishing as dirty fuel tan basically stopped progress. One thing is sure, the boat as is is a crappy performer as it has no 'grip' on the water without the centerboard. I have received the drawings from Ted Brewer and will be thinking of replacing the centerboard with one that works well. Ted Brewer says that Ft Myers Builders did not follow his drawings but possibly did follow them in the shape or the actual board. The PO also said that just by lowering the centerboard the boats speed decreased by .5 knots. Now Sir you are updated. Regards, George Myers
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10 years 6 months ago #1661 by Jack Dexter
Replied by Jack Dexter on topic Brewer12.8 Centerboard
There appear to be a lot of varying opinions out there. My experience using the board and sailing with it raised are quite different then some if those expressed. I've sailed and raced for over 45 years in various keel and centerboard boats and that's the perspective that I have on this issue.

The 12.8! underbody was designed to please 7 racers from a yacht club in New York who wanted a keel centerboard boat they could race as a one design class according to what I've read. They were very experienced yachtsmen and apparently we're very pleased with their boats. In addition to racing, they also wanted a comfortable cruiser. Ted gave them exactly what they wanted.

Of course the boat goes better up wind with the board down. That's why the board was installed in the first place. The boat, like the Hinckley Burmuda 40, was designed, I believe, to the old CCA rule. One great advantage of the board is that you have deep draft when you need it to go to weather and shallow draft when you need it like in the ICW and the Bahamas. We find that an amazingly attractive feature.

With respect to performance with the board up, it probably is like a lot of purpose built cruisers with shallow draft and no board. Think, for example, of the Island Packets. As I understand it, Ft. Meyers Yacht and Shipbuilding found enough cruisers who bought the early boats were so happy with the way the boat sailed with the board up that they never used the board. For that reason, I believe some of the 12.8's we're built without the boards. The board became an option as I understand it.

When we sailed in Maine we used just the pennant that ran from the board up through the stainless tubing to the deck to raise and lower the board and it never gave us any trouble. The winch on deck and this 70 year old skipper were capable of raising it just fine. Obviously the pennant needs to be kept in good condition but ours is several years old and seems to be doing fine.

The board did bang on the sides of the trunk when we bought the boat but we had pads installed on both sides to take up the slack and that really helped. Wedge shaped pads would likely do a better job.

To sumerize, the board does add complexity but to me is worth it for the increased weatherlyness that it provides. The fact that such impartial arbiters as Practical Sailor and Cruising World magazine think so highly of the 12.8's validates Ted's design. I love the way my boat sails and accept the fact that it won't be as weatherly with the board up as down but like the fact that I can go places others with deeper draft can't. I wanted a boat with a shallow draft that could still go to weather when the water was deep enough to allow for the use of the board and I got exactly what I wanted. No boat can be all things to all people. This one sure pleases me!

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #1664 by George Myers
Replied by George Myers on topic Brewer12.8 Centerboard
I had a Island Packet 44 , 1994. It outsails this Brewer 12.8 without a centerboard---by a bunch -it drew 4-11. Its hullspeed was 8.11 kn and Ive had it to 8.7kn on a close reach in 18 mph . It did not slide sideways much. Its very close in weight and size.
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10 years 6 months ago #1665 by George Myers
Replied by George Myers on topic Brewer12.8 Centerboard
By the way, I have Teds drawings showing centerboard and rudder. They also show a deeper keel with a dotted live -its 7 inched deeper.

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